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#287328 - 11/13/08 03:27 AM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: aus22]
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Tobias, you've only mentioned the first of the five solis--Sola Scriptura. The other four are Sola Fida, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, and Soli Deo gloria. These Soli have to do with how man finds redemption/salvation in this world and are based mainly on Martin Luther's teachings.

Luther, given his time, had 95 good reasons for his reformations. He was an intelligent and learned professor who lectured on the Scriptures at The University at Wittenburg. He'd gone through a re-birth very similar to Paul the Apostle's--Luther was struck by lightening which led to his self-examinations.

Luther was also a politician. He wanted to spread his word to everyone which had some unintended consequences, like the Peasants' War.

Sola Scripturia teaches that the Bible is the only authoritative word of God. This implies that the Bible wasn't the only 'word' being used in the Church's teachings. If you read my post to thinker concerning the idea that the RCC is only obliged to believe the Pope when he speaks ex cathedra. When speaking 'from the seat,' the Pope draws on more than the Bible, yes. He draws on oral tradition, later written, based on Apostalic teachings. Remember, not everything is recorded in the Bible as we know it todayeither Catholic (in any of its forms) or Protestant.

This is probably the most important today, especially to Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians, and one of the most misunderstood by Protestants in general.

I'm not a theologian nor am I a practicing member of the RCC, so if I'm inaccurate in what I say, it's because I'm relying on my memory and my thinking about my faith, which may not strictly follow the thinking of the institution of the RCC.



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#287407 - 11/13/08 09:17 PM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: wanderingspryte]
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Originally by: wanderingspryte

My point, is of course, that without faith and God's Grace, we don't hear the fullness, we don't see the good news, we may not even be able to see ourselves in God's Word at all. So Scripture alone, used in the liturgy, used in sermons, used to establish our relationship with God .. is preconditioned on already having a relationship.


I agree Spryte, relationship is what it's all about. Everything else is almost inconsequential, IMO. smile
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#287409 - 11/13/08 09:25 PM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: lizbeth]
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Thanks Liz and Aus. I am mostly influenced by the Evangelicals, where Sola Scriptura is huge! It looks though like it's been developed to mean something even more than what Luther first intended for it to mean. Some take it to absolute extremes. crazy


Originally by: lizbeth
Tobias, you've only mentioned the first of the five solis--Sola Scriptura. The other four are Sola Fida, Sola Gratia, Solus Christus, and Soli Deo gloria. These Soli have to do with how man finds redemption/salvation in this world and are based mainly on Martin Luther's teachings.


Ready for the next one? Ok, I'll post it!
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#287415 - 11/13/08 09:47 PM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: Tobias]
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Tobias contrary to their sola scriptura claim, Calvary Chapel does not believe an regular person, (you and me) can interpret the Bible. This is why I wrote what I wrote...

I loved Calvary Chapel...and every Sunday sermon gave me inspiration for the week.
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#287859 - 11/18/08 02:05 AM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: Chocolategenii]
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One of the things that led me into further study of religion, and I know this has been asked before, is the God-concept.

Way back when, the contributors to my blood-line were both Irish and German--i.e,, Celtic and Germanic. Because I need to, I believe all--even the most minute of my family strands lived the same lives we all live--the best we can.

Way back then, the Gospel was unknown to them--and the Catholic Church has wrestled with that for centuries.

If God is omniscient--all-knowing and all-loving--how can that God possibly become inclusive? How can God limit Himself to only Christians?
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#287865 - 11/18/08 07:11 AM Re: The five solas of the Protestant Reformation: Sola Scriptura [Re: lizbeth]
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Man............ Man............ Man..........

God told man to go out and tell the people.

Even me / I can and should ! way back we were told to do this.

5 five easy words to tell "Christ died for our sins"

Man does not always do as God has told / asked us to do....

HE said all ! But man picks and choose, man thinks he is smarter then
GOD..............
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