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#287283 - 11/12/08 04:52 PM Office Of The President Elect
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Change.gov, the copyright Obama/Biden web site features a banner at the top of the page which reads Office Of The President Elect. It also features a seal that bears great resemblance to the Seal Of The President Of The United States.

United States Code Title 17 105. Subject matter of copyright: United States Government works

Copyright protection under this title is not available for any work of the United States Government, but the United States Government is not precluded from receiving and holding copyrights transferred to it by assignment, bequest, or otherwise.


There is no Office Of The President Elect officially formed by or recognized by the US government.

United States Code Title 18

(a) Whoever knowingly displays any printed or other likeness of the great seal of the United States, or of the seals of the President or the Vice President of the United States, or the seal of the United States Senate, or the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or the seal of the United States Congress, or any facsimile thereof, in, or in connection with, any advertisement, poster, circular, book, pamphlet, or other publication, public meeting, play, motion picture, telecast, or other production, or on any building, monument, or stationery, for the purpose of conveying, or in a manner reasonably calculated to convey, a false impression of sponsorship or approval by the Government of the United States or by any department, agency, or instrumentality thereof, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(b) Whoever, except as authorized under regulations promulgated by the President and published in the Federal Register, knowingly manufactures, reproduces, sells, or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seals of the President or Vice President, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(c) Whoever, except as directed by the United States Senate, or the Secretary of the Senate on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States Senate, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(d) Whoever, except as directed by the United States House of Representatives, or the Clerk of the House of Representatives on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States House of Representatives, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(e) Whoever, except as directed by the United States Congress, or the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives, acting jointly on its behalf, knowingly uses, manufactures, reproduces, sells or purchases for resale, either separately or appended to any article manufactured or sold, any likeness of the seal of the United States Congress, or any substantial part thereof, except for manufacture or sale of the article for the official use of the Government of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.
(f) A violation of the provisions of this section may be enjoined at the suit of the Attorney General,
(1) in the case of the great seal of the United States and the seals of the President and Vice President, upon complaint by any authorized representative of any department or agency of the United States;
(2) in the case of the seal of the United States Senate, upon complaint by the Secretary of the Senate;
(3) in the case of the seal of the United States House of Representatives, upon complaint by the Clerk of the House of Representatives; and
(4) in the case of the seal of the United States Congress, upon complaint by the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of Representatives, acting jointly.


Do you believe that Obama/Biden are within their legal rights to have this website?

Do you believe that they are ethically right to have this website?
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#287284 - 11/12/08 04:56 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Aint]
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Yes and Yes. And you?

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#287287 - 11/12/08 05:19 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Cy_Click]
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Certainly not. The portraying of something similar to the Presidential seal used by the President-elect amounts to nothing short of treason.

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#287288 - 11/12/08 05:36 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Dax]
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Speaking of seals, does anyone know why the stars on some Republican logos are point up and some are two point up?
The National Republican Senatorial Committee website has the logo with the stars turned with to points up but I've seen older(?) ones where the stars were different? Any significance in turned stars like that?

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#287289 - 11/12/08 05:39 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Dax]
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I looked and looked, but I didn't see anything the looked exactly like the Presidendtial Seal anywhere, but I did see a graphic that loooked like the back of a quarter.
US Quarter Tail Side
I dunno... Is it illegal to mimic the design of the back of the US Quarter?

I don't mind if the government doesn't officially recognize the Office of the President-Elect and the Vice President-Elect. They don't recognize *my* Office either, but I still go to work every single day. smile

And the government, although not giving me any special recognition, is perfectly happy to collect income taxes from my Office anyway. What do you make of that??
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#287290 - 11/12/08 05:42 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Helice]
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He's not even sworn in and some don't want him to have AN office much less the office of President.

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#287291 - 11/12/08 05:43 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Cy_Click]
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Originally by: Cy_Click
The National Republican Senatorial Committee website has the logo with the stars turned with to points up but I've seen older(?) ones where the stars were different? Any significance in turned stars like that?


Two points up? You mean, like, up-side down?

I think there's some kind of thing associated with upside-down 5-pointed stars, but I can't think of what it is. Is it patriotic...?
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stride beyond the grave, and seeks to pursue us into
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#287292 - 11/12/08 05:48 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Helice]
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I drew a star and turned the paper upside down and it looks like what I meant so, yes. Upside down would be a better description.

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#287294 - 11/12/08 06:17 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Helice]
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#287295 - 11/12/08 06:20 PM Re: Office Of The President Elect [Re: Aint]
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That looks very much like the Seal of the President of the United States. Much more than it does a US quarter.
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