I'd love to, Helice, but until any of the cadidates dicusses real policies, what's there to discuss? Right not, 30 days before the election, it all seems to come down to personalities and not real issues. What do we have to work with?

Good night and go to bed!

We can start with this. Rush Limbaugh referring to Chelsea Clinton as the White House dog. Did a dog just yelp? Does it get any more misogynistic that that?

Not at all, Helice...I believe my post was in response to Ray's post wherein he wrote:
No they aren't, but Ray's was, and your response to his was, and to watch you try to squirm out of it is something nobody should have to see. Who do you think your kidding with that lame "it's not about you, Helice?" How stupid do you think the readers of this board are? They don't ALL watch Fox News, come on.


You offend the powers that be on this board each and every day, so you wouldn't be doing anything unusual, but surely you know from your time on staff here that we don't censor posts for political content, not yours nor anyone else's. Instead of finding your posts deleted, you find vigorous response, a large percentage of which is telling you that you're ideas are so much horseshit, and you don't like that. I don't blame you, I don't like it either, but that's the way it is.


She didn't jump to any conclusion, it's right there in print on the screen. You're like the guy leading an elephant on a leash, and when asked about it says "What elephant?" You're like those guys on cops who deny they have drugs while holding a baggie in their hand. You attacked, end of story, you can twist it and spin it, it makes no difference, you're wrong. You did attack. It was an attack. If Ray is honest, he'll agree with me as well. If he's honest.


The difference between these two acts is that Clinton lied under oath about a personal matter, while Libby lied under oath about a matter of utmost importance to the country, and to the integrity of the entire Republican party, and to our justice system, and to the way we deal with high level crimes committed by a corrupt administration. I find those things more important than a blowjob, but apparently you find them of equal value.

Yes, it can get more misogynistic than that!

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."JOHN MCCAIN

I realize you weren't replying to me, but this is twice you've made reference to this alledged quote by Rush Limbaugh. For the sake of argument I'll stipulate Limbaugh said it. But what was the context of the remark? Was Rush Limbaugh saying, "Wow! That Chelsea Clinton sure is an ugly little bitch!" Or, was he perhaps referring to the fact that the Clintons had told the news media that their daughter was strictly OFF LIMITS as long as they were in the White House, and the media respected the privacy of their daughter, UNTIL the Clintons trotted her out like a household pet to plastered all over the magazine covers when Bill needed some cover of his own from some other (cough) personal situations going on in his life?

You might remember it wasn't until they moved to the White House that Buddy the Retriever came to live with them. All U.S. presidents in the past 100 years have a dog, don't cha know?

Politics seems to be partly about waiting for the chance to bash the opponent for the things they bashed you for. (turnabout is fair play). Maybe being a dog helps make a great leader. Imagine how much better Bush would have done if he had only cheated on the wife. Maybe Obama should mess around on his ole lady just to give us some hope that he will make a good president.

Don't worry--if Obama hasn't been unfaithful to his wife, the stories that he was will circulate anyway.

I also heard the rumor he fathered two black children.

Scandal!

So what? Is Rush Limbaugh involved in this discussion?

Maybe I think they are exactly as stupid as Obama suggested the electorate is...

An attack? Sure, why not...that seems to be the thing to do here at Fool Moon now if the conduct of our Administrators is any indiciation of acceptable behavior. Or, is that part of the "new and improved" Fool Moon...the left is free to attack but attacks by the right are strictly verboten...and the left gets to define what constitutes an attack.

Ahh...and therein lies the hypocracy of the left. Clinton would have been just fine to have told the indpendent prosecutor the pack sand and refused to answer the questions or even to have taken the 5th. Instead he elected to lie...You seem to think thats okay since it was a personal matter. I say, bullhist! He lied in a misquided effort to spare himself political and personal embarassment and to protet himself from criminal and civil sanctions that might have arisen from his conduct. Forgive me, Dax (and Helice) but I have a hard time joining hypocrits in a call to condemn hypocracy...its all so, well...hypocritcal.

Oh Ray, you slick little cutie pie, I bet you forgot we all have The INTERNET to look up which year the Clintons got Buddy. And it sure was not in the 1st Clinton term, not in 1993. Why is 1993 an issue, I hear you ask? Wait for it.



Rush said it as a slam when the child was about 12 years old. I remember it clearly, because it was around the time that Limbaugh was a guest on the David Letterman show, and forgot for a moment that he wasn't talking to his ditto-heads, and told Letterman that the First Lady, who had recently appeared in a magazine photo series, looked "Like a hood ornament", and rose from the guest chair and stood on one leg with arms extended, presumably to show the type of hood ornament that Mrs. Clinton resembled.

He seemed surprised when instead of laughs, there was a second or two of silence, then a few scattered boos from Letterman's audience. Letterman stared down at his desk briefly, and said "Yeah, well, of course you can say that, being the finest looking human specimen on the planet...", at which the audience howled derisively until Letterman held up his hands and asked them to stop. Limabaugh appeared to be visibly shaken that his joke about Mrs. Clinton looking like a hood ornament had not only not brought laughs, but had been turned against him, and for the remainder of his segment was uncharacteristically subdued. Dax and I, both being Letterman fans from way back, were both watching that show.

Want to opine that this couldn't have gone the way I say it did? Want to?

So, yes, the time that Limbaugh called little Chelsea Clinton "the White House dog" was when she was just about 12 or 13. On his syndicated TV show, (when he still had one around 1993-ish), Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, "Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?" Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time.

Boy, that guy is funny, huh? I wonder what he would think of to say about Sarah Palin's children... if they were only the children of a Democrat.

When his own viewers objected to this rather nasty bit of work against a little girl, he claimed that his 'gag' was an accident and that without his permission some technician had put up the picture of Chelsea. Of course, it could not have been an accident, because the Clintons owned no dog at the time.

You wouldn't like to suggest that I misremember it, would you....? Would you??

I looked up the John S. McCain statement and it turns out that yes, in 1998 he sure did say : "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno." At least he had the shame (or intelligent enough handlers to pressure him) to apologize for what he said. And he did apologize, just like he grinningly apologize for that cute joke about how ladies just luuuuuv being raped to death by gorillas. Gotta love that charm! That shows John S. McCain has real class, he knows he should apologize for saying that little girls who happen to be daughters of political opponents are ugly. Class act, 100%.

Want to say that this never happened? Want to?


Oh, God bless YouTube. If you want to say you think I have said something inacurrate, oh please, PLEASE say so?

He wasn't talking about comparing her to Loie Fuller, who was the inspiration for the Rolls Royce hood ornament.