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#280189 - 09/02/08 11:04 AM
Re: Stewards of the Earth (warning- graphic video )
[Re: Chocolategenii]
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Registered: 10/05/05
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from the Anchorage Daily News (march 2008) "HB 348 seems an innocuous little bill -- several lines that merely redefine Alaska's wildlife as an "asset." The Department of Law has argued that it and related bills, SB 176/HB 256, simply clarify existing statutes governing wildlife management. However, the intent of these bills is far-ranging, and hardly innocuous. These pieces of stealth legislation are designed to subvert the right of Alaska's people to vote in this August election on the issue of shooting wolves and bears from private aircraft, and to prevent all future ballot initiatives regarding wildlife management. All three bills are backed by well-connected special interest groups, notably the Alaska Outdoor Council -- which receives heavy financial backing from Outside organizations such as the Safari Club International and the National Rifle Association. In the case of HB 348, the designation of Alaska's wildlife as an "asset" is meant to put decisions regarding wildlife management solely in the hands of a Legislature that has routinely flouted the wishes of its constituents. In a 1996 ballot initiative, 36 of Alaska's 40 districts rejected aerial predator control. In 2000, 29 of 40 districts did the same. Yet both times, the Legislature overturned that mandate. In 2000, 63 percent of Alaskans rejected a referendum that would have made unconstitutional all wildlife ballot initiatives. Now, 56,000 Alaska voters are once again demanding that their voices be heard on the issue of aerial predator control, in a ballot measure that has already been certified. The Alaska Outdoor Council proudly claims roughly 3,000 paying members. Since when do the desires of 3,000 trump those of 56,000-plus? The answer's simple: when a special interest group (which includes Gov. Palin, who requested the introduction of SB 176/HB 256, and is herself an Alaska Outdoor Council member) attempts to exert its will, and the majority stand by and allow their rights to be stolen. " Why would the government of Alaska allow killing of animals using these cruel methods? money..
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#280210 - 09/02/08 01:45 PM
Re: Stewards of the Earth (warning- graphic video )
[Re: Helice]
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Registered: 10/03/06
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Thank you for that information. That now being explained, considering the forum we are in, I'd like to see the conversation about this topic flow around issues of aerial hunting itself, and not political justifications for it. Are the wolves endangered, is it true that they have become pests to the Alaskan people to the point where they require some type of extermination, is aerial hunting in fact much crueler than other ways used to kill wolves with the obvious given that all types of killing are going to be painful to the wolf, would widescale killing of wolves damage Alaska's ecosystem severely and if so, how? Thanks folks! Wolves account for only about 12% reduction of the caribou population in Alaska...this report by the Alaska Fish and Game an agency which supports aerial killing of wolves. In the wild, wolves naturally kill off the weak of a herd. This process actually strengthens the caribou herd... just like pruning a fruit tree or rose bush. The new blooms come back stronger. This has all been proven by studies done on the new wolves put back into Yellow Stone National Park... The re introduction of wolves have strengthen every life form in the park...including some plant life! "Unlimited" killing off of a species is not only cruel but it hurts everyone and every living being relying on a balanced eco system...including the Inuits that need caribou and moose to survive.
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#280250 - 09/03/08 07:32 AM
Re: Stewards of the Earth (warning- graphic video )
[Re: Chocolategenii]
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Registered: 01/17/04
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This method of hunting is in no way a challenge to the hunter; all it is, is needless infliction of suffering on another living being, for the sake of "sport". Even if it was the case, that the wolves that are killed are being eaten, still the method used is overly cruel.
I am not sure of the reasons given for the hunt but I cannot see the justification. In a natural ecosystem, prey animals and predators populations are in balance so I doubt that wolves are over-populating Alaska.
I also doubt that wolves are causing a die-out of caribou herds, because of this balance factor so if there is an issue with a drop in population of caribou, the perhaps the reason for the drop lies in the activities of Man; since I doubt that these aerial hunters are the same people who have ecological concern, about the impacts that possible oil drilling in Alaskan nature reserves, would have on caribou migration and environmental contamination, I must conclude that fears for the herds of caribou is not the reason for aerial hunting of wolves.
If wolves on rare occasions sometimes attack people, that too is no justification for aerial hunting, since we are talking about unusual events concerning individual animals, and in such attacks, the location of human habitats, the activities of humans in the area and possibly lack of public education about the habits of wolves, must be strong factors in such attacks. If an individual animal had to be culled for some reason, there are cleaner ways of killing the animal.
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#280405 - 09/04/08 11:44 AM
Re: Stewards of the Earth (warning- graphic video )
[Re: Myrddin]
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Registered: 10/03/06
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If wolves on rare occasions sometimes attack people, that too is no justification for aerial hunting, since we are talking about unusual events concerning individual animals, and in such attacks, the location of human habitats, the activities of humans in the area and possibly lack of public education about the habits of wolves, must be strong factors in such attacks. If an individual animal had to be culled for some reason, there are cleaner ways of killing the animal.
Wolves are very fast, cunning creatures. They can travel 10 miles an hour indefinitely...and sprint at 45 mph. It is very difficult for a hunter to down a wolf using his usual methods...on land using hunting rifles. It can be done, but the hunter has to be really good at his sport. Many hunters are weekend enthusiasts (as demonstrated by Dick Cheney). Supporters of aerial hunting, which do not include the voters of Alaska, Alaska (voters have twice ..in 1996 and again in 2000. affirmed a long-standing moratorium on aerial gunning). What researchers are discovering are wolves are the crowning glory of the eco system. When reintroducted into Yellowstone Nat'l Park, plant life increased, because deer, elk and moose herds...all herbivores who graze on large amounts of vegetation were naturally culled to size, allowing vegetation to regrow...then of course insects returned..followed by birds, reseeding etc. With the return of the wolf to the ecosystem in yellowstone, elk and moose have had no need to graze in high risk areas, like steam bes...therefore allowing the cottonwoods and other trees to prosper.
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