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#279986 - 09/01/08 01:52 PM Eye- Rack!
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Does Governor Palin honestly not know the plan to end the war in Eye-Rack ..errr Iraq? This is how seriously McCain takes foreign policy and war?? Here is the full interview from Time magazine on Aug. 14th.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837536,00.html

Here is the quote in more context...

The GOP agenda to ramp up domestic supplies of energy is the only way that we are going to become energy independent, the only way that we are going to become a more secure nation. And I say this, of course, knowing the situation we are in right now at war, not knowing what the plan is to ever end the war we are engaged in, understanding that Americans are seeking solutions and are seeking resolution in this war effort. So energy supplies and being able to produce and supply domestically is going to be a big part of that.


If someone wants to be "kind" to her statement, one would actually conclude that her assertion about if we had a better energy policy the war could have been avoided...she is smacking down both McCain AND Cheney-Bush.....
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#279995 - 09/01/08 02:05 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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Since your thread is entitled "Eye-Rack" I can only conclude that pronunciation of words is critical to your acceptance of an individual as a valid candidate for office. I can only assume you were equally horrified to hear John Kerry talk about what great eye-deers he had for the country.

Of course, I could compare the rest of the posting with how Obama was against drilling, but now he's for drilling might be considered racist, or worse, so I won't.
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#280005 - 09/01/08 03:04 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Ray]
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Interesting that we see CG attacking a Republican official for saying essentially what she herself has been arguing for some time...the war is about oil...if we did not need ME oil we could avoid entanglements there...I would think common decency and a sense of integrity and honesty would push CG toward supporting Palin's statement rather than using it to attack her. Or, is CG secretly some sort of closet Neo-Con and thus feels the need to discredit Palin for espousing a GOP position at odds with that of the Neo-Cons?
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#280015 - 09/01/08 03:31 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Lawmage]
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Palin has changed course on many of her ideas, for example claiming (as McCain also claimed on her behalf) that she was against Ted Stevens' bridge to nowhere, when in fact she is on record as favoring it.

At least everyone in this race knows how to pronounce "nuclear"

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#280044 - 09/01/08 04:47 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
Interesting that we see CG attacking a Republican official for saying essentially what she herself has been arguing for some time...the war is about oil...if we did not need ME oil we could avoid entanglements there...I would think common decency and a sense of integrity and honesty would push CG toward supporting Palin's statement rather than using it to attack her. Or, is CG secretly some sort of closet Neo-Con and thus feels the need to discredit Palin for espousing a GOP position at odds with that of the Neo-Cons?


Fair enough. I hereby promise to fully back Palin as soon as she calls Cheney, Bush and McCain war-mongers who went to Iraq for the oil. How long should I wait, LM?
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#280059 - 09/01/08 05:34 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Chocolategenii]
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This Palin is not a credible candidate in my oppinion, and McCain could have done a lot better for himself, but too late now. Biden would probably beat her in a debate (In my oppinion ).

But could you imagine if Bill Clinton had chose her? Ray and LM, would have all kinds of jokes about it, and she would just be a hooker in their sight.


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#280090 - 09/01/08 07:20 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Sleek Phantom Mystic]
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Rather unlikely, SPM, as I never found Clinton's conduct to be especially joke worthy. I might also point out that you insinuation I would not take a female VP seriously and would instead see her as a sex object speaks far more loudly to your own misogynistic positions than to my own views.
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#280092 - 09/01/08 07:27 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Lawmage]
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Originally by: Lawmage
I might also point out that you insinuation I would not take a female VP seriously and would instead see her as a sex object speaks far more loudly to your own misogynistic positions than to my own views.

As this just-concluded political primary season has shown, racism and sexism run rampant in the Democratic party. Of course, one didn't need to see what the Hillary supports said about Obama or what the Obama supporters said about Hillary to know that. The proof in the pudding is that racism and sexism is what Democrats accuse Republicans of all the time. Dead giveaway.
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#280096 - 09/01/08 07:40 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Ray]
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Obama was chosen because of Democratic racism?

Please explain.

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#280103 - 09/01/08 08:11 PM Re: Eye- Rack! [Re: Dax]
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Obama was chosen because of Democratic racism?

On one level, your state may be right, but we'll talk about that in a moment.

For all practical purposes, you can say Obama was nominated despite Democratic racism. But had Hillary Clinton ended up winning the nomination it wouldn't have been "because" of racism. It would have been because more Democrats wanted her to be the nominee than wanted Barack Obama to be the nominee.

That's what is so tricky about "playing the race card." It can be very effective OR it can backfire on you. Certain politicians such as Jesse Jackson have made a career of racial victimhood. It's good for shaking down individual businesses and corporations for "contributions" to avoid future extortion, but it doesn't work very well when talking to voters over whose head you hold no club.

This brings us back to your statement. As I just said, playing the race card can be tricky. The Obama campaign has both been accused of doing it, and accused others of doing it. In the case of the North Carolina Democratic primary, Bill Clinton's sly remarks equating the campaign of Barack Obama with the campaign of Jesse Jackson 20 years earlier may very well have had an adverse effect on Hillary Clinton's campaign.
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